broduke2000 ([info]broduke2000) wrote,
@ 2009-06-26 01:00:00
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Current mood: introspective
Current music:Beat it!
Entry tags:is there racism in the gay community?

Is There Racism?
Facts:

  • Michael Jackson died.
  • People all over the world are gathering to remember him.
  • Record stores are reporting that MJ CD's are flying off the shelf.
  • A San Francisco Gangsta Rap station curtailed their musical format of glorifying guns and mayhem and is now playing wall to wall MJ.


[info]egbubba posted about MJ and got 1 response.
[info]furr_a_bruin posted about MJ and got 0 responses.
[info]progbear posted about MJ and got 1 response.
[info]dukeandbanner posted about MJ and got 0 responses.


---on the same day, my friends posted on the subject of---

  • "Transformers, The Movie"...and got 10 responses.
  • "The New iPhone"...and got 6 responses.
  • "The San Francisco Opera"...and got 10 responses.
  • "A Nine Inch Nails Video"...and got 14 responses.



Question:

Is there racism in the gay community? Years ago, many a gay black man charged that there was. The pages of B.A.R. were filled with accusations and incidents. And just like me with a beard, I noted that blacks were frequently "carded" before entering a bar. I know exactly what that felt like. If you were clean-cut, white and wholesome looking, you were "allowed."

So, considering that Michael Jackson is right there in the Disco era; and considering that he had a #1 hit about a lesbian; and considering that he made it OK to fondle your crotch in public...you'd think there'd be a little more talk and/or compassion?

No he ain't The Village People, and he's nowhere near my fave, but....

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[info]pink_halen
2009-06-26 01:02 pm UTC (link)
No. I don't think there is racism around non-interest of MJ. He has become stranger over time. I would say that if he were white. There are many, many strange white boys as well. I see the problem as an icon that has survived past his time and his strange life has had it's toll. When you think about it, Jackson never really had a normal life. Is it any wonder that his strange side rose up.

I am already tired of the all out coverage. What more can they say? Poor Farrah died early in the day but was upstage by Michael. Now everyone will remember this as MJ's day of death and not Farrah Faucet's day.

I'm indifferent about it all. I really want to hear the news of the world instead of the tributes to Jackson but Good Morning America is beating this dead horse.



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[info]broduke2000
2009-06-26 09:36 pm UTC (link)
Admittedly Farrah got the short end of the stick.

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[info]h0gwash
2009-06-26 01:46 pm UTC (link)
What's not to love about Thriller? I went to a nearly all white upper middle class junior high school and all the guys were doing the Thriller dance or the Billie Jean dance, or the Beat It dance.

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[info]broduke2000
2009-06-26 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Your Junior HS believed in beating it?

*sexual innuendo there*

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[info]maxauburn
2009-06-26 02:04 pm UTC (link)
I loved Micheal's music from the time I first heard The Jackson Five on the radio. I think that was fall 1969 or spring 1970?

And Thriller rocks! Love it back in 1983 - and still do.

His solo career outshone his career with the Jackson 5. ( They changed the Five to a 5 later on.)

His songs were and always will be brilliant!

But the whole thing with the boy(s) who had said Michael molested him - the too many plastic surgeries that had left him looking like an alien that was impersonating a human.. and poorly - and other things like dangling his baby over a hotel balcony.. well, that all kind of alienated me.

So, I also feel that it is NOT racism in regards to non interest surrounding Michael's death... it's how he behaved.

He made himself quite difficult to relate to, and that was very sad.. for him.

I hope he's finally found some peace now.

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[info]progbear
2009-06-26 05:59 pm UTC (link)
To each his own and all that, but I’m finding that these days I prefer his stuff with his brothers. Including “later” stuff like this:



Yeah, the “oh wow” laser sound effects are louder than the music. Blame the director.

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[info]maxauburn
2009-06-26 08:27 pm UTC (link)
Cool video! I'd never seen it before.

I listened to a few of Michael's songs today on YouTube. Man, there were THOUSANDS of comments made about his passing there today!

It was kinda depressing to read.

Michael was a lot of things, but he was also an ultra talented performer.

He could sing and dance like no other.

I've already gone through the " Seperating the famous person from their work" thing. Hemmingway was an asshole alcoholic who treated his wives and kids like shit, but he sure could write.

Marvin Gaye was a drug addict whose own father killed him - but he wrote many classic tunes.

Kurt Cobain was a depressed, suicidal drug addict - but he wrote many excellent songs.

John Goodman appears to have major issues with drugs, but he's still a HOT man and a terrific actor.

I must admit, though, that I was a billion times more shocked and sad when John Lennon was shot. He was one of my music idols, along with the other three Beatles. I was 6 yrs old when the Beatles sang on Ed Sullivan in Feb., 1964. Loved them before that, and loved 'em even more afterwards!

I grew up hearing their music. It was distressing when they broke up in 1970, but it was downright horrible when John was killed.

I cried.

Of all the rock and roll deaths, that one hit me the hardest.

The Beatles are still my number one band.

I was indifferent to Elvis. He died on a toilet.

Jimmy, Jim Morrison, and Janis.. those were very sad.

Duane Allman.. he was one of the best guitarists I'd ever heard.

George Harrison - another guitar great, and was the deep thinker of the Beatles.

And a WHOLE lot of others not mentioned.

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[info]broduke2000
2009-06-26 09:46 pm UTC (link)
It was McCauley Culkin who said at a young age on air: "I really like Michael. We get into water fights and stuff."

So my feeling is that Culkin's parents are one of the entities that led to child molestation charges. And I can't help but feel that the molestation involved Michael jerking off in his jeans, or pushing a hose down them.

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[info]maxauburn
2009-06-27 12:33 am UTC (link)
From what my intuition tells, me, and, based on what I have heard and read about " the King Of Pop.", he was more a child than anything else.

I can't see him actually being romantic, or overtly sexual, not the way most adults are.

He was just an old, big kid. Immature, impulsive, you name it.. yet, at the same time, highly talented.

I can't see him having REAL sex with anyone, let alone two children.

As has been stated before - only Michael and the two boys know all the facts in those stories.

We do not.. and so, we must decide for ourselves.

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[info]gryphons_hole
2009-06-26 07:32 pm UTC (link)
I commented on one particular MJ post, because of how it was written.

I have passed by an endless number of MJ posts on my f-list, endless.

I don't think I mention much of any celebrities death, regardless of color. I don't feel or see any impact on my personal life. Of course, I have an odd take on death in general, so I avoid the topic most of the time.

And at least two of the posts I have come across about Transformers 2 were about racism, or at least mentioned it, involving poorly stereotypes voices for two of the characters... So there may actually be some overlap in you examples...

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[info]progbear
2009-06-26 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I have to laugh. On some other messageboard someone was saying that they were avoiding Transformers 2 because they were disappointed that the first Transformers movie turned out to be “a really stupid teenage movie.”

My response: “It’s a movie inspired by a line of children’s toys and directed by Michael Bay. How could it turn out to be anything but ‘a really stupid teenage movie’?”

Someone observing the trailer to Transformers 2 in a movie theater could be heard to say, “I no longer fear the swine flu, this is much worse!”

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[info]ottomatic186
2009-06-27 05:25 am UTC (link)
He's not my type......

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[info]broduke2000
2009-06-27 10:41 am UTC (link)
Maybe with a beard....

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(Anonymous)
2009-06-27 04:05 pm UTC (link)
You got it...
And I'm sure no fur either even though I didn't see his chest.

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Bigoty? What bigotry? I don't see anything...
[info]master_dave
2009-06-27 05:29 am UTC (link)
Bigotry in the gay community?

To paraphrase Tom Barry: "There IS no bigotry! That is just an evil rumor started by people shut out!"

Bigots can be made into good dog food, though!

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Re: Bigoty? What bigotry? I don't see anything...
[info]broduke2000
2009-06-27 09:36 am UTC (link)
Yeah, unfortunately I was one of those that was shut out.

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